I was thinking about the retiring of coats, and I have to say I am all for it, with caveats...

I am not sure which coats are currently available in the starter kits, as I havent had a new one in some time, but, I think it very well might stimulate the market if say fawn, winecoat, ursine and autumns were removed from the starter kits, and their genes removed from those remaining coats in the starter pack. This is basically how the horses did theirs and the world did not end. I think that if the starter packs were nerfed for those four coats, it would stimulate new players to buy these coats on the secondary market. Because, let's face it, we ALLL have too many of those coats if we have been breeding for a while.

If those coats are needed in order to upcoat to certain new coats that would be a shot in the arm for the secondary market. If the new starter kits contain red, sierra, koi, painted, and perhaps the odd amber, caledonia and highland it would still be possible to upcoat in some ways and it would move the coatbase up a bit - at least from starter kits.

We are coming to the phase where there are just going to be too many coat possibilities, its a confusing and daunting maze for people to figure out. Heck I am thousands of nests into this game and I am still flummoxed about some of the coat related breeding.

i saw some folks screaming and gnashing about the proposed changes, and I think that perhaps some offhand comment of Tiger made it worse. If the starters are nerfed, and ONLY the NEW starters, then the rest of us merrily breeding along are unaffected. The EXISTING coats should NOT be nerfed. Although, I personally would NOT be the least bit unhappy if it was "just a little harder" to breed a winecoat or fawn lol! The comment tiger made about "no more of that coat being born" or whatever he said that upset folks so much is probably not feasible, as it WOULD affect current breeders.

I was thinking, if I *knew* starters didnt contain the suggested coats that *I* as an established breeder would probably buy some new starters - just to have a "control group" of roos I had *some* certainty about. What a boon it would be to breed some of my highly traited roos, that JUST seem to keep giving me low coats no matter what i do to them, to some roos i KNEW didnt have those coats in them! There is some real possibility there IMHO.

The more I think about it, the more I think retiring some coats, from the starters at least, just makes sense. Particularly if there was some "key" for the new nocturnals where you need a fawn or a winecoat to get some other trait to pass to the hybrids.

Whatever you do, Tiger, please please please make all these @#$^& winecoats and fawns *good for something* and useful on the secondary market!